on the other hand, if you take a lot of other romneys, much less. i think obama could regret quite severely that he ran such a negative campaign and didn't really lay out exactly what he was going to do next >> i'm depressed by the whole thing because we hear constantly that this is a defining election it's incredibly important, about the whole role of the state. but i think the quality of the debate during this campaign has been really appallingly low. and i think that both sides have caricature it had other side's position. but knee ther side has grappled with what i think of as serious issues. >> rose: the biggest thing people want and haven't received is what are the next four years going to be about? >> exactly. and if you think about the biggest challenges facing america, yes, how you deal with entitlements overall is a huge issue, tax reform huge issue. how do you deal with stagnant median wages? how do you deal with widening income gaps in a time of slow growth? how do you make this economy a dynamic economy again? have we had a proper conve